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1931 Bentley 8 Litre |
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Original 1931 Numbers
Chassis No. YM5031
Engine No. YX5114
Registration No. GW 9650
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This car - updated
Chassis No. YM5031
Engine No. YF5016
Registration No. GW 9650
(Updated with information from owner Gerhard Roeser. - January 2009) |
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January 2009 |
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[This car was purchased
by Gerhard Roeser in 1994, and is
currently owned by him.]
When I bought the car from Coys of
Kensington in November 1994 it was
falsely declared as being "YF5016",
because that was the number on its
engine and steering gear box. Its
road registration at this time was
"CUO 66". It had a LeMans
Replica 4-Seater Open Tourer body.
In the following years I had the car
totally taken to pieces for a complete
rebuild of everything, including a
new LeMans-Style body with correct
proportions, done by Rod Jolley of
Limington, GB. During the rebuild
the real chassis number "YM5031"
was discovered on the chassis and
on the axles. The exact story, when
it inherited engine + steering gear
box numbered "YF5016" is
unknown to me. However, the car was
then in 1997 again properly registered
as "YM5031" with engine
"YF5016" with its original
road registration number "GW
9650".
Added on Jan 14, 2009:
I don't understand Michael Hay's comment
(on Chassis YF5016
page). How can someone talk about
rebuilding chassis YF5016 by using
the chassis + axles from YM5031?
The only traces of YF5016, which
I found on the car were the engine
+ steering gearbox, where as the crucial
parts of the chassis (frame + the
axles) are stamped YM 5031. I am more
inclined to see it as that somebody
has dropped an engine + steering gearbox
stamped YF5016 into chassis YM5031;
thus for me the car is YM5031 rather
than YF5016.
Added on
Jan 18, 2009:
Robert: Mr. Roeser (Jan 14)
asks: "How can one describe rebuilding
YF5016 on the chassis frame of YM5031?"
I've been around Bentleys a long time,
but not perhaps deeply enough into
vintage Bentley lore. His question
is similar to mine. Factory service
records show examples of new frames
being fitted to cars, in the 20s and
30s, as the result of accident damage.
Did they stamp the chassis number
on the new frame?... And considering
how hard it is to locate the chassis
number, as Mr Roeser's communication
attests, are there other examples
where the chassis number has gotten
confused, post-original sale?
Jack Triplett, Jan 18, 2009 |
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Source:
Gerhard Roeser (Owner)
Posted: Jan 13, 2009 |
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2006 |
In
Germany in 2006 / Owned by a BDC member |
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1990 |
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"...I understood
that the previous owner was Mr. Brian
Seymour Wiggens, who seemed to have
bought the car in 1990." |
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Source:
Gerhard Roeser
Posted: Jan 14, 2009 |
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Car in the photograph
bears Reg. No. CUO 66
on the number plate |
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Source:
Gerhard Roeser
Posted: Jan 14, 2009 |
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Extract from a
Bentley book:
"This Limousine de Ville built
by Park Ward on 8-litre Chassis No.
YM 5031, is believed to have been
broken up post-war. Certainly the
original engine YX 5114 has been fitted
to Chassis No. YF 5012." |
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Source:
Gerhard Roeser
Posted: Jan 14, 2009 |
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EARLIEST
RECORD OF HISTORICAL FACTS & INFORMATION |
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Chassis No. |
YM5031 |
Engine No. |
YX5114 |
Registration
No. |
GW 9650 |
Date of Delivery: |
Jul 1931 |
Type of Body: |
Limousine |
Coachbuilder: |
Park Ward |
Type of Car: |
13 |
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First Owner: |
HELME Lt Col E |
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More Info:
Michael Hay, in his book Bentley:
The Vintage Years, 1997, states:
"F/8057. Park Ward body no. 3460.
"Lucas center lamp. Black Ace discs,
Andre double duralumin bumpers, Black/white
line." Broken up - engine in ch YF 5012.
Frame and axle in ch. YF 5016." |
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Posted: Mar 01, 2007 |
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Sep 30, 2020 - Info and photograph received from Simon Hunt for Chassis No. RL3439 |
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